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Council turns the screw on landlord's smoking shelter



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Published Date: 28 August 2008
A PUB landlord who put up a gazebo to provide shelter for smokers has been threatened with a £20,000 fine if he fails to take it down – because seven screws holding it to the ground means he needs planning permission.
Robin Watson put up the structure – which planners say is a marquee – at the back of the Shoulder of Mutton pub in York when the smoking ban came into force last year.

It has no walls, but council planners say that because the poles are screwed to pieces of concrete to stop it blowing away it needs planning permission.

The structure has been a hit with smokers at the pub in Heworth Green, although Mr Watson said trade has still dropped since the introduction of the smoking ban last July.

"We put the screws down one side to hold it down so it won't blow away but the council were claiming it was a permanent structure and said we had to take it down," he said.

"It just seems whatever we do we have somebody complaining about something.

"There has been a drop in trade but this is managing to keep us going. They haven't given us a reduction in council rates because of the smoking ban so I don't see why I need this."

Now York city planners have told Mr Walton he can either apply for planning permission or take it down.

They claim the fact it is "physically attached to the ground" and has been there for around a year means planning permission is needed, and he has been warned that breaching an enforcement notice would leave him liable to a £20,000 fine.

His case has been taken up by Yorkshire's Ukip Euro MP Godfrey Bloom, who said the demand was "absurd".

"Whatever happened to the British sense of compromise?" he said. "They could easily unscrew it from the concrete blocks but then what happens if it blows away – it would be health and safety.

"One might ask if there's a conspiracy of the British government to close the British pub."

Lee Le Clercq, northern regional secretary of the British Beer and Pub Association, said: "On the face of it this does seem to be an over the top request by the council which clearly presents yet another hurdle for another hard-pushed publican.

"It really is no wonder we are losing 27 pubs a week in this country."

Chairman of the Federation of Licensed Victuallers Associations, Tony Payne, said he thought there was little Mr Watson could do. "I really do sympathise but unfortunately the legislation is there and it looks like he will just have to apply for the planning permission.

"There is absolutely no doubt that landlords are facing very tough times indeed and closing all the time since the smoking ban came into force."

A City of York Council spokeswoman said: "The structure requires planning permission because it is fixed to the ground.

"The council's planning enforcement team has written to the owner of the property asking them to take the structure down or apply for planning permission."


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Edward Moss,

North Leeds 28/08/2008 08:58:18
This is just unbelievable!
You couldn't actually make it up!
Seven screws meaning a patently open, temporary shelter needs planning permission or a £20,000 fine!
Yes, better take it down - far better for the locale that patrons who want a smoke hang around outside the front of the pub, dropping their butt ends in the street.
I wonder how many times York Council has ignored those builders who have "accidentally” reversed their JCB’s into listed buildings causing a need for demolition so that the Council can collect Council Tax or Rates from the resultant new buildings put up in place?
If I was the Council signatory on the order sent to Mr Watson, I’d be too embarrassed to show my face in public.
And to think the Council Taxpayers in York fund these people (with fabulous pensions to boot!) who are patently extremely hard of thinking.
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english charlie,

28/08/2008 14:26:43
It seems to me that the City of York council have a screw lose. The shelter is screwed to concrete blocks, but are the blocks resting on the ground or are they secured to the ground?
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BarneyBear,

manchester 28/08/2008 17:33:14
Simply another case of harassment of publicans and victimisation plus denormalisation of smokers (the usual anti-smoking dogma), and anything done on smokers' behalf. Furthermore councils and their zealous officials like to exercise their perceived "powers" in the most spiteful way. Their only "raison d' etre"! The Chairman of the Federation of Licensed Victuallers Associations remark is the usual oh so politically correct response. Pathetic. They tried to harrass Hamish Howitt in Blackpool in a similiar way! In that instance he won!
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dastardly,

Kinver 28/08/2008 17:58:22
It seems pretty clear that this whole smoking ban thing wasn't about "public health" but was all about gaining and then abusing power.

But to get to the point... Does anyone know of a developed country that doesn't have Councils, and if not, how do they organise their local affairs? Sadly, I have a lot of dealings with the local Council and they are almost all a bunch of idle, incompetent, incredibly officious, pedantic muppets. Indeed, I suspect one wouldn't last long at the Council if you weren't. Can we just not get rid of them?
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unitypete,

Hull 29/08/2008 08:45:18
Mr Moss. I received a pension based on 1 x 60th of my salary. A council employee receives a pension based on 1 x 80th what is so fabulous about that. The argument about the council nit picking is sound, your attack on pensions lets you down
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english charlie,

31/08/2008 12:24:11
I use cloches to protect delicate plants. To stop them blowing away in the wind, I secure them by pegging them into the ground. Should I get planning permission?
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